Monday, August 30, 2010

The Power of the Legal Network ~ Networking 101 for Attorneys

The power of networking is undeniable; whether a spontaneous or a well thought out intentional act, networking today has evolved into an art form. Networking is no longer merely about having access to information about jobs, developments within your firm or happenings in the legal market. It has assumed mammoth proportions and could be the difference between success and failure. While it is true that man cannot live in isolation, we all fear the unknown and naturally shrink at the prospect of going out of our way to ‘get-to-know’ people whom we otherwise would not have known. The foundation of a thriving and successful business/practice rests on sound communication skills and efficient networking. Irrespective of the area of your specialization, it is essential that you have a fair amount of contacts that will be your support when you’d like to try out a new venture or even during rough weather. Networking with others allows businesses, big or small, to share data, experiences and knowledge that could be mutually beneficial.

However, for most attorneys, marketing does not come naturally. Inherently, attorneys are hard wired into being independent, opinionated, self-reliant and largely undiplomatic in their mannerisms; qualities that do, at the onset, seem diametrically opposite to those required for networking successfully. The case is no different in the LPO industry. The primary benefits of networking for those in the LPO industry include;
(1) maintaining a strong network amongst professionals in the same field helps not only in the exchange of information; but since this is a fairly nascent industry, it also helps highlight and cope with the teething problems faced by the industry;
(2) networking aids in staying current not only on the laws but also business practices across the board;
(3) helps professionals build their industry visibility;
(4) creates a solid base for learning about possible new opportunities; and
(5) helps raise your company profile.

When in doubt, perhaps your most valuable tool is the ability to call someone you know and discuss how they are handling particular challenges. This ability to benchmark and trade best practices is an obvious and direct benefit of networking for professionals in the legal outsourcing industry. Some of the common and most successful ways that one can network in this industry include:
Participating in Professional organizations and Conferences that hold regular networking events
Subscribing to bulletins and newsletters to keep abreast of the latest in the industry
Online forums like LinkedIn or creating a blog to discuss key issues that you may be facing professionally
Attending Seminars with leading experts on the panel

With the spectre of ever increasing expectations looming large over the LPO industry, it is time for all associated with it to join hands and harness the potential of a network that can sustain the hopes and aspiration of every individual member. The Global LPO Conference 2010 is our attempt to first create a robust network and then raise awareness amongst members regarding best practices and innovative ideas.

Tuesday, August 24, 2010

Law: Keeping In Step with the Times

As we step into the next decade of the 21st century, the practice of law is evolving at a rapid pace. What was a slow unyielding profession is now taking giant strides to keep pace with globalization, redefining traditional beliefs, practices, and even roles. Lawyers, today, globally, must come to terms with new and emerging concepts in the field that traditionally, would have meant professional hara-kiri. So be it outsourcing or being connected to clients 24/7 using a BlackBerry, or even embracing the buzzwords of the year “preventive lawyering”, lawyers today have their plates full. As they try to make sense of these changes, here’s a run down list of some of the most significant changes that we see (or will see) in the legal landscape in India:

· Technology—It obviously brings the world closer but inherently most lawyers have been averse to adapting to new technology. Relying on their stenographers and clerks for almost all secretarial practices, most of them still store paper versions of their old client files as records. Luckily, the boom in India’s IT sector has definitely made an impact on how lawyers view technology and most of them are now developing an affinity for technology, even if it means starting with merely using a BlackBerry.

The need of the hour: Most of the big law firms have already adopted sound records and knowledge management practices. These include storing digital versions of old cases, adopting relevant e-mail management systems, e-billing, using document template software and websites like www.Onecle.com, and basically moving towards a paperless office. Training their lawyers to use these systems/software and highlighting the importance of these practices are obvious essentials. The next decade is bound to see more investments by law firms, individual lawyers and corporate legal departments in the area of technology that will make processes and work more efficient and productive.

· Heightened Collaboration and People Management Skills—Law, today, is practiced in a world without borders. Geographical boundaries have been rendered irrelevant in a global marketplace where information is now available for free on Google, thus providing anyone easy access to material that was previously only available to lawyers using expensive, subscription-only libraries. In such a world, lawyers have to reinvent and upgrade their skill set. Being a good lawyer is no longer enough. While there are plenty of good lawyers (what with all the excellent training institutes we have), what a client is looking for is a lawyer who is proactive in identifying and addressing client needs (read legal issues) and designing legal health checkups, risk assessments and behavioural analyses to head off future problems.

The need of the hour: The value addition that today’s lawyer has to bring to the table is proportionate to his success. A lawyer adept at collaborating effectively with multiple stakeholders across borders and managing their expectations astutely will be the one to rise to the top of the order faster. People and time management skills have come to play an ever important role in a profession that was earlier viewed to be elitist where the lawyer played God for his client. In a decade rocked by unprecedented financial scandals and recession, today’s client not only expects able defence but also preventive lawyering whereby risks are identified and assessed before hand and checks are put in place to ensure minimal exposure.

· Flexibility—Law, as a profession is becoming increasingly flexible. A small and rather irreverent example is the fact that our judges no longer wear the ceremonial wigs in Court and during the hot sweltering Delhi summers, High Court lawyers need not wear their robes when moving around in Court. Key takeaway: flexibility. Change is the only constant and law as well as lawyers need to treat this as a talisman. Putting needless checks and balances to stop an eventuality such as the entry of foreign law firms showcases the system’s rigidity in its extreme, most intolerant form. On the other hand, job insecurity due to outsourcing is also more propaganda and paranoia and less fact.

The need of the hour: Lawyers, both in house and outside counsel, must be flexible to traverse new career paths. As the profession evolves it requires flexibility and an open mind to explore newer avenues, newer technology, and newer processes.

These may seem like soft skills at the onset, but training lawyers in these areas is imperative. Law colleges and Bar associations can help lawyers develop these skills by offering courses (more practical than theoretical) to train their students/members. Even the relevance of these institutions is fast changing. No longer is a law college a stepping stone for a career in the IAS or in Indian politics. Today it is a serious training ground for some of our country’s smartest legal minds. Similarly no longer is a Bar association merely a stamp of prestige. Bar associations across the world must reach out to their members offering them training in essential skills as well opening newer avenues for them to explore. A myopic view of the LPO industry or the entry of foreign law firms into India are certainly not what we’d like our Bar associations to be remembered for.

Thursday, August 19, 2010

Deciding to Outsource ~ Have you considered Issuing a Pilot Project?

For buyers, both corporate legal departments as well as law firms, using an LPO provider is not an easy decision. Hiring LPO providers without fully comprehending the operational, regulatory, ethical, and economic hurdles that may occur is foolhardy to say the least.

Deciding which activities should be done where and by whom, should be first step in your decision to outsource. And as I read somewhere, a decision to use LPO should be made strategically, more than just enthusiastically. How you use LPO in your firm/department should gel well with your firm/department’s positioning amongst your clients. The success or failure of the decision to outsource depends largely upon the ability to implement an effective and robust delivery mechanism and capitalizing upon the advantages generated by it.

The following issues (in no particular order) play a pivotal role in a firm’s decision to outsource to a particular vendor or not:

  • Vendor’s Compliance with various Legislations (especially in the US) governing LPO
  • Cost Advantages
  • Cultural Connect between Buyer and Vendor
  • Infrastructure to Maintain Security and Confidentiality
  • Quality of Deliverables
  • Reputation of the Vendor
  • Talent Pool Availability and Training
  • Turn Around Time of Deliverables

One way of ensuring that the decision to outsource is based on the right set of criteria is to create an RFP answering some of the following crucial questions: (compiled from various sources)

  • For law firms considering outsourcing, you must know which of your clients are likely to be interested in LPO, and for what categories of work?
  • For that work, which specific tasks can be done substantially more efficiently elsewhere, by others?
  • How are we going to know if things are going well?
  • What are the risks of waiting and learning from the mistakes of others?
  • What are we asking the outsourcing supplier to do?
  • What are we going to monitor?
  • What kind of ownership or contractual arrangements could support our business and professional objectives?
  • What kind of quality assurance mechanisms do we need to meet or exceed our current levels of accuracy?
  • Whatever choices we make, how do we prepare our firm for the changes required of us, if implementation of any such program is to be successful?

Once you have coherent answers to these questions, selecting a vendor can also be done through our novel mechanism ~ Issuing a Pilot Project, process described loosely below:

  1. Establish 10-12 high level criteria including the vendor's past outsourcing experience, reputation amongst rival companies, its technical competency, the size of its organization and its knowledge of the industry.
  2. Issue a pilot project** and select two-three finalists.
  3. Invite the finalists to your offices where your legal department sits so that both the in house counsels and the outsourcing vendor can meet first hand, discuss the kind of work and quality expected and generally break the ice.
  4. Post this interaction, make a decision based on the outcome of the pilot project issued as well as feedback received from in house counsels during their interaction with the vendor
  5. Your job isn’t over…in fact if possible you must visit your vendor to see the infratrusture/facilities being offered for yourself. You could do this post signing up with the Vendor or before, though doing it before comes with its own set of complexities: which vendors to go to, how to convince them that I am a serious buyer, etc etc.

**For more about how to issue Pilot Projects please click http://globallpoconference.com/about-the-conference/distinguishing-features.html

OR

Visit the Global LPO Conference 2010 where you have the Absolutely Unique Opportunity to Issue Pilot Projects for your chosen vendors and interact with them to help you make the right decision!

Friday, August 13, 2010

Of Chop Shops, Visa Fees & Outsourcing

It seems like the first clarion call of a nation united in its opposition to restrict and curb the free will of its capitalists who have for long gone ahead with their businesses with profit as their only guiding force. Come hail, storm, or sunshine, (read Russia, Iraq, Afghanistan and the scores of other countries) the American capitalist has relentlessly marched on in his pursuit of larger playing fields and greener pastures. His actions have governed the fate of the world. He was lauded and his innovation was hailed as the benchmark of a society based on individual gain, free will and profit motive. So then why now, when in his quest of lowering his costs (especially in the storm of a severe downturn) and increasing his profit margins are his own supporters becoming his biggest detractors? Why is the American politician now going hammer and tongs after an industry that was, in the first place, created for and by his own brother? Is this an over-reaction? Or misplaced zeal? Or an attempt to distract public attention from increasing unemployment statistics that are negatively impacting Obama’s popularity? Are they pointing fingers at us so that none can see their own deficiencies?

As strange/impossible as it is to have a full House in Parliament in India, getting all 100 Senators to vote unanimously on a bill is near miraculous. On Thursday, the Senate unanimously passed a bill sponsored by New York’s Chuck Schumer to increase visa fees on companies that send workers to the U.S. if more than half of their America-based employees use work visas. To add insult to injury, the Senator also likened India’s blue-chip IT services company – Infosys to a ‘Chop shop’ or in common parlance crooks who specialize in taking apart stolen cars. Of course, there has been the necessary indignation shown by our industry experts as well as the NASSCOM which came out with an official statement deriding the comment. Can we now be certain that President Obama is not exactly a supporter of the Indian outsourcing industry? Can we also assume that this could be the start of a backlash that could only get worse if the American unemployment scenario continues to worsen? I certainly hope not.

While the increase in visa fees would hardly affect companies like Infosys, Wipro and their ilk, it is indeed sad to witness this garbed jingoism from a country that had come to define free enterprise and individual liberty as cornerstones of its interpretation of democracy. In an increasingly globalized world, are we not all tied together, albeit loosely, in a bunch? Are Boeing, GM, Ford, Bank of America, and a host of other companies not setting up their businesses in India and deriving significant profits? Why the double standards then Mr. President? Why brow beat about saving American jobs by restricting outsourcing operations? What percentage of American jobs have been outsourced to India? Is it large enough to warrant such a stand? And should we Indians even react to this verbal diatribe that Chuck Schumer has indulged in? Am hoping most of you say no, read this blog, and go back to working in the LPO/BPO/KPO/ITeS company with a smile on your face thinking that we are definitely making a difference somewhere—good or bad, small or big!

PARTING Thoughts: Outsourcing is the need of the hour and this convoluted debate can go on endlessly with both sides hurling accusations or there can be a consensus on the necessity for both sides to accept the need of the other and ride the wave together.

Tuesday, August 10, 2010

Law Firms in the guise of LPO’s - Is this a reality or hype?

So the writ petition filed before the Madras High Court by the Association of Indian Lawyers (Association), a Calcutta based organization having its branch offices in Chennai came up for hearing recently. The government appears to have scrapped plans to move the Chennai writ petition against 31 foreign law firms to the Supreme Court, as the petitioner's plea for an injunction against the foreign firms was stayed for two weeks until the government and foreign firms could formulate responses. Government counsel, and additional solicitor general of India, Muthukrishnan Ravindran, prayed for more time, citing pending discussions between the government and the BCI on regulating foreign firms. Reports suggest that the Government counsel did not mention law minister, Veerappa Moily's plans of 20 July that the case should be moved to the Supreme Court. The court ordered the respondents to file their counter-affidavits by the next hearing on 19 August, when the question of permanent stay would be adjudicated based on the written and oral submissions of the parties.

A little background into this: The writ petition not only deals with the issue of entry of foreign law firms, but also on the modus operandi currently adopted by these firms to provide legal services in India. A.K. Balaji, one of the representatives of the Association has filed this writ petition alleging violations under the Advocates Act, Immigration Act and a number of other issues. The Bar Council of India, Union Law Ministry, External Affairs Ministry and the RBI are amongst the Government respondents. There are 31 foreign law firms in the dock including UK’s Allen & Overy, Clifford Chance, Linklaters, Freshfields and US law firms, WilmerHale and Shearman & Sterling. Integreon, one of the largest LPO’s in India has also been dragged in this dispute. Several law firms including Allen & Overy and Simmons & Simmons have outsourced legal work to Integreon.

Some of the KEY issues as per the writ: (Bar & Bench: Writ Petition filed against 31 foreign law firms and an LPO – Immigration law violations also

Law Firms in the guise of LPO’s

The writ petition alleges that most foreign law firms exist in India through the Legal Process Outsourcing (LPO) outfits. The petition states that most foreign law firms have their back end offices in India, which not only does their back end activities, but also provides legal services in India. Clifford Chance is one such law firm, which has a back office in India. The Clifford Chance back office is supposed to undertake only office billing and technology related work for Clifford Chance and its best friend in Saudi Arabia, Al-Jadaan & Partners.

A Rational Take: This can only be determined by an inquiry, wherein should an LPO be found guilty of practicing Indian law, legal action indeed can be initiated against any such LPO. However, as propounded by many industry experts on all forums, Indian legal outsourcing companies generally neither have Indian clients nor do they “practice Indian law”. LPOs provide support services that facilitate the practice of law, for example litigation support, document discovery and review, drafting of contracts and patent writing. Barring the big LPOs, most outsourced legal work consists mostly of back-end, low-profile, labour-intensive para-legal work done under the supervision and on instructions of a qualified attorney authorized to practice law in another jurisdiction. So it really seems like a far fetched possibility since the markets LPOs target, the type of work they do, the talent pool they are looking at, etc. are all very very specific to promoting their line of business which is certainly not in the area of Indian law.

Entry of Foreign Law Firms – Immigration Law violations

The Association has not only questioned the entry of foreign law firms, it has also challenged the mode of entry of the foreign lawyers into India, as it has alleged immigration law violations by foreign lawyers. Most lawyers working at these foreign law firms, especially in the Capital market space visit India using tourist visas. A Magic circle firm associate who didn’t want to be named said “procuring tourist visas to India is the easiest way to visit India. Therefore, most lawyers opt for it, since our visits do not last more than two weeks at a stretch.”

A Rational Take: Fair enough, though a matter of factual inquiry again, should LPO/foreign law firm executives be found guilty of immigration law violations, they should be put in the dock. But to use this as an excuse to ban entry of law firms that are generating valuable employment in India seems like sheer foolhardiness. It’s akin to a case of throwing the baby out along with the bath water.

Law as a business as opposed to ‘Noble Profession’

Bar Council has imposed various restrictions on the practice of law in India including restrictions on advertisement of legal services by lawyers. The practice of law is treated as a noble profession in India, but the foreign law firms are treating it as a trade or business and a ‘money spinner’. The Association has annexed the pages from the websites of the foreign law firms and newspaper clippings about these foreign law firms claiming to have an India practice. It is alleged that these instances tantamount to ‘advertisement’ of legal services by the foreign law firms in India.

A Rational Take: And who are we kidding here again? Where does the idea of law as a noble profession go when legal luminaries in India defend companies like Union Carbide, or tainted ministers? Do we question their ethics? No, we do not. Right or wrong, they treat their decisions as professional ones and their profession as a business, certainly not as a noble or charitable act; so why then should the BCI bring the concept of treating law as a noble profession when it comes to foreign law firms entering India?

To propound the concept of nobility in the profession the BCI needs to do much more than simply use this as an excuse to follow a protectionist policy. How are foreign law firms different in their operations from Indian law firms? Are they not following business diktats or are they blindly basing all their decisions on preserving the nobility of this profession? There are hundreds of lawyers in India who are poorly paid. The argument about allowing the domestic market to develop is being put forth by large law firms working in a consortium to retain their hold over the market. It’s a typical case of the pot calling the kettle black wherein larger Indian law firms are doing exactly the same thing that they are presume will be done to them by the entry of foreign law firms. Are these large law firms not competing against other miniscule law firms in India which hardly have the resources to match theirs?

The BCI needs to revisit the Advocates Act, amend the same so as to ensure a level playing field for all and stop playing “Big Brother”. In a country that is churning out more and more lawyers every year, it would be imprudent not to see the writing on the wall.

Suggestions on Reciprocity

The writ petition also gives a host of suggestions on reciprocity. It suggests that if foreign law firms are allowed to ‘exploit’ 5% of the Indian legal market, then Indian lawyers should be allowed to exploit 5% of the respective legal market. The United States legal market is estimated at $300 billion (Rs. 1,50,000 crore) and the Indian Legal market as per RSG Consulting is estimated at $800 million (Rs. 3,200 crore). This may not be practical, as questions such as - What is the size of the Indian legal market that is being ‘exploited’ by these foreign law firms? Do Indian corporations need foreign law firms? Since most law firms or lawyers are tight lipped about their revenues and fees, fixing these percentages seem far-fetched.

A Rational Take: I am compelled to agree with the above questions raised by this author. This, by far, seems to be a flimsy ground raised to divert attention from crucial issues.

FACT 1: India is a signatory to the General Agreement on Trade in Services (GATS) which is an organ of the World Trade Organization (WTO) and is under an obligation to open up the service sector to member nations. 'Services' would include any service in any sector except services supplied in the exercise of governmental authorities as defined in GATS. "A service supplied in the exercise of governmental authorities" is also defined to mean any service that is supplied neither on a commercial basis nor in competition with one or more service suppliers. Under this definition, the legal profession is also taken to be one of the services which is included in GATS.

Fact 2: The fact is also that India is in the process of liberalising its economy. The opening up of legal services to competition from the international legal market is inevitable. Instead of perpetuating an endless debate about the pros and cons of the legal markets being opened up to foreign firms, it would be more rational to accept the entry of foreign firms in India which is now increasingly being seen as only a matter of time. For law school graduates and independent lawyers, the entry of foreign law firms in India means increasing job opportunities, and for the legal industry at large, it means raising the bar for professional standards, due to faster servicing, more efficient delivery and lower costs.

Hence India only stands to benefit from the arrival of foreign law firms and considering how much we love framing laws, needless to say their entry will be regulated by a copious set of laws to please even the harshest critics of this sane decision, when it is reached.

References

A Passage to India: Are Foreign Law Firms in the Country’s Future?

Advent of Foreign Law Firms in India\

Entry Of Foreign Law Firms-a Boon Or Bane For Indian Lawyers

http://indianeconomy.org/2008/02/16/liberalization-its-good-for-them-but-not-us/

http://www.legallyindia.com/20100322609/Law-firms/a-new-writ-filed-against-entry-of-foreign-law-firms-in-madras-hc

Thursday, August 5, 2010

Raising the Bar in an Outsourcing Relationship ~ Maintaining Accountability Standards

A crippling downturn and the ensuing unprecedented financial crisis that followed left the economies of many countries in an abysmal state leading to many hard hitting business decisions. Companies have now had to look within to trim the fat and cut cost. In such an environment outsourcing has been looked upon as a favourable option for several process oriented tasks. A key requirement of outsourcing a legal process is the roll out of a specifically structured outsourcing arrangement that would govern this crucial relationship from the very onset.

As the demand for cost-cutting and subsequently outsourcing increases, the LPO landscape is dotted with numerous players – big and small – competing for their share of the pie. This increasing competition has led vendors to accelerate not only their turnaround times for deliverables but also sometimes leads to compromising quality for the sake of volume. This anxiety to deliver faster means that some outsourcing contracts can go awry, but by investing time and effort at the early stages of the contract, such mistakes can be avoided. To begin with, before a company even considers outsourcing a function in the legal department, executives should ask themselves whether they understand the current cost of that function and should map out its processes. Creating a comprehensive description of the function that is to be outsourced is essential so that in house counsels are able to effectively explain their requirements to their provider. Once the contract is signed, it is important for LPO vendors and buyers to continue to work closely together as business conditions and requirements shift, and as people and cultures evolve.

In an age where some of our biggest financial institutions failed due to lax accountability standards, we must be now more accountable than we have ever been in the past. Many companies view the outsourcer as a detached entity that, once briefed, should be able to run with the project with minimal involvement on part of the in house team, but outsourcing a process does not mean outsourcing accountability or competency. Accountability is the requirement, when undertaking an activity, to expressly address the concerns, requirements or perspectives of others and is seen a major purpose of external quality processes. In order to succeed, the LPO vendor will need regular, ongoing input and feedback from the client. In an interesting article available here, the author, Julia Staunton Hardinger, Esq, has developed a list of rules to follow for attorneys who wish to outsource part of the discovery process while still meeting the high level of professional responsibility imposed by the ethics rules of the ABA. These include:

  • Conducting extensive quality checks and making timely adjustments accordingly
  • Giving the first assignment to yourself.
  • Maintaining constant contact with your team

To ensure accountability, buyers must consider protection of their assets in the outsourcing contract. For example, intellectual property and confidential information should be protected through appropriate confidentiality measures, along with personnel screening tests. Thus, good governance processes built on a framework of accountability are critical to a successful outsourcing relationship.

Sunday, August 1, 2010

Turning Lemons to Lemonade

A crucial debate that has been raging on since the advent of outsourcing has been the one on the job loss and unemployment that outsourcing causes in developed countries. While one set of believers advocate the practice on the basis that outsourcing will have an overall positive effect on developed economies, since

a) it saves money for companies,

b) enhances opportunities for greater entrepreneurship,

c) and leads to higher level jobs for natives.

Critics, on the other hand, suggest that hiring foreign workers has an immediate effect on developed economies as it strips natives of jobs that otherwise would have been performed by them.

The LPO landscape is no different with most companies and law firms apprehensive of sending their legal work off shore for many reasons, one of them being the negative impact that this decision would have on the morale of their in house counsels/law firm attorneys. In a traditional profession such as law, where normal corporate decorum and growth path do not always apply, neither companies nor law firms want to be perceived as shipping jobs to cheaper destinations at the cost of work quality. However, the off shoring industry is facing many more issues besides this scepticism.

A while ago, Intel Corporation, for example, had a batch of patent applications the lawyers were handling in-house. They noted common issues, and decided these could be bundled and assigned out in common packages. So they put the jobs up for bid in an online auction. Among the firms Intel selected, one was in Australia and another in India. They did the work, but the quality was lower than what they were willing to put up with. An experience such as Intel’s is not an isolated one, and although the LPO industry is witnessing a forward momentum, it is essential that such experiences are weeded out and analyzed to ensure that such failures are not repeated. A quick glance at other outsourcing arrangements that have failed reveal the following main causes:

1. The buyer's unclear expectations up front as to its objectives

2. The parties' interests are aligned up front but become misaligned as the buyer's business environment or needs change

3. The provider's poor performance against service level agreements

4. The parties do not consider each other's interests to ensure their relationship is mutually beneficial

5. Poor governance structure for managing the ongoing relationship

6. Poor cultural fit compatibility of the parties

7. Poor communication; the parties do not proactively share necessary information with each other

8. Challenges arising because of the buyer's multi-supplier environment

9. The tendency of the buyer to back away from the solution it bought as the relationship builds. Buyers that are not committed to the full change management effort necessary for success end up wanting the provider to adjust the solution rather than pushing forward through the changes. (buyer response)

10. Some failures result not because interests fall out of alignment but, rather, because they were never aligned to begin with. Then when the parties manage the relationship and contract to the achievement of those interests, the relationship is doomed.

Despite the doubts about offshoring, however, there's a sense of inevitability about it. In fact, some law firms have embraced what they can't prevent. The most notable example is the British firm Clifford Chance. 2010 seems sure to bring more growth for LPO firms but ignoring failures or reasons thereof would be foolhardy for buyers and vendors alike.